The Art of Healing and Prosperity messages

 

Let us look into the healing and prosperity messages of the day by first looking at the same messages of the past, and the first thing you will notice is that the number one trend of these message occur during great historical times of woe or perilous moments or era’s in history. This leads many skeptics to believe that the advocating of these messages have a direct influence on the state of peoples welfare rather than actual belief in the gospel’s teachings on the matter.

 

The bible teaches that the prosperity of the lord is greater than the riches of the world and that we as saints are to understand that the glory we receive in Christ supersedes the earthly riches here on earth. Christians are also likewise counseled on the wiles of profit and gain of treasures here on earth rather than in heaven.

What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul…. Mark 8:36

 Yet we bask in a time where pastors of flocks shout out…ask god for your blessing and believe on it and that thing shall come to past.  Walk as though you have received that which you ask and it shall be yours for this is the greater faith.

And so many people’s measure of faith in God is that believing as such that God will provide them the requests of their heart and that constant prayer and supplication is required for those who don’t believe having shown proof of their unbelief in the fact of the request not coming into fruition.

Do not tempt the lord thy god.

Often we find ourselves requesting God’s favor on our behalf for something that God has decided not to give favor upon. This Balaam activity….what You don’t know what balaam activity is? Neither did I, so let’s look at it.

In a nutshell, the children of Israel were in the wilderness, and as they traveled they conquered many tribes with the assistance of God. They came to rest in the valley of Moab as they sojourned on. Now Balaam was a prophet of sort’s of God unto the children of Moab. Their king of Moab, Balak, sent word to Balaam and requested him to curse the children of Israel as they ventured into Moab and asked to pass through peacefully. Balaam set out to do just that, and he prepared to ask God to curse the people of Israel, but instead of a curse God told balaam to bless them for they were blessed. (Numbers 22:12)

Then Balak, after hearing that Balaam would not curse them because God told him not to, sent word to balaam and told him to come see him and after receiving counsel from God giving him permission to go speak with balak, Balaam agrees to go with the second contingent of men sent, but to only say what God told him. Now for some reason, God gets angry with Balaam and places an angel in his pathway while he was riding his donkey.  It is not known what caused god to get angry with Balaam, so it is speculated that Balaam decided that, to save his own neck he would say something different than what God told him to say.

According to the angel, Balaam had devised in his heart a means to please both the king of what he wanted and his view of what god wanted. Evidenced in Numbers 22:32

If we read Numbers 22:32 we can see a very interesting scenario, It seems that a very important vision has revealed itself. Because it states this:

Num 22:32

And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because [thy] way is perverse before me:

 Now remember prior to this in Numbers 22:12 and 22:20 God told Balaam what he wanted Balaam what to say, so why the anger if balaam followed his orders from god directly? He didn’t he came up with some other plan and god stopped him and told him he was angry.

What is the point on this story? Obey God at all times, also do not pray for the changing things god has already established.   Now am I saying that we should not pray for anything? No, what I am saying is that as Balaam found out, that God has his way about doing things and carrying things out, that is contrary to our flesh, desire and understanding on matters. It is the holy spirit that we use to send petition before the lord. But if the lord is not in agreement with our petition then what do we do? Repetition? How often? Are we to change the mind of god on a matter? No it is impossible to change gods mind. Only he can. God doesn’t change his mind, he simply stops what he had already started in motion before damages can be done on many stages.

The only time God has ever changed his mind about something is……..never. He may have stopped, but he did not change his mind.

Requesting Prosperity

This can be summed up in, Can we then pray and request of god the desires of our heart. Is it not written that we who are of the kingdom. One of the passages of scripture used to justify the prosperity messages are such.

Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

The message is tied to giving, But giving of what? Tithes? Offerings? What of the tithe. Is it to be given unto God for Gods sake or for the temple or church? Does it assist in the furthering of Gods kingdom or the destruction of the gospel?

Matthew 7:6-17 tells us to give not to an tithe, but to those in need. For this is the spirit of god. I am not saying that we should not give the tithe, but we are required to give to the needs of those who ask. If you see a need, fill a need.  This is the message of prosperity that must go out. Not to ask of God for the richness of the earth. For what profit is there in that?

True prosperity is marked by the king of the kingdom, not by the quantity of the person’s worth. While I don’t begrudge any man the bounty of his brow, for this is pleasing unto God. But let’s be real, you don’t bring into the church a man associated with monetary growth, to fill the people of your flock with mannerisms to obtain wealth, and then sit down to pray for God’s blessing upon the people to adhere to the message.

Keep the things of Ceaser unto Caeser and the things of God unto God.   This is more prosperous than any message telling you to follow some plan that is supposed to unleash monetary blessings.

Healing I shall begin with stating thus..

Matthew 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

Isaiah 33:22-24 the lord is our Judge, our lawgiver and our king, and the inhabintants of the kingdom of god shall not say they are sick for they are forgiven of their sins.

Not in so few words, but you get the gist of what it says in this manner of speaking. The inhabitants of the kingdom are forgiven they’re sins. Being sick or contracting diseases are a normal part of Mankind, of  the things that Jesus stated before healing someone and as evidenced in the writings concerning Jesus and healings performed, was that he always forgave their sins. Occasionally he forgave their sins and did not heal their bodies of the infirmities they brought before him.

One of the most powerful undeniable statements concerning healing is when Jesus spoke with his followers prior to his ascension unto heaven that….

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

I commented in red the things that in our language we understand these passages to mean. The one that I want to speak of now is regarding “they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover”

As this is an attribute of receiving the holy-ghost and being known as a believer of Christ, the healing of the sick part seems to be the only real point of contention. If a person is sick of cancer, and they come to a believer, is the person going to leave “cancer free”? No

Is it then because one of either party has some hidden or unknown level of unbelief? Not really

-you see every human has a law to his or her existence. Jesus healed the sick immediately because he was God himself. The apostles healed the sick sometimes immediately sometimes not, because they performed the will of the “holy-Ghost” in all things, and it pleased god because it was in his plan to build a solid foundation to the church. We as saints, are indwelled with the same power that our establisher of the church held. Why then in this day and age does God not seem to heal immediately or not yet decisively ?

One reason can be because of a lack of faith on both parties, the other could be that it’s not in gods plan to heal the people being presented, and in this case are the words in the scripture null and void?

Remember God performs his will as he wishes, So then do we pray for healing and if nothing is healed do we then state God is not going to heal the person or that the core beleif of the person doing the praying false?

My take on the statement in Mark 16:18 is not that God will heal sickness in the flesh, but rather that the believers shall present the gospel to sinners and they shall accept the gospel. You see men seek after signs, miracles and convincing arguments to the existence of God, and when none comes the faith is invalidated and the beleif is foolishness. God does not work to prove he is god to those who by sheer grace are entered into the kingdom. He's already proved his power, you either beleive he did or dont. No skin off his nose. Yet in the forgiveness of sins, in which the heart becomes the eye, God does amazing thing in front of our own eyes.

Now it seems like I’m doing what other cult or Gnostics do and that is mess with the words of the scripture or doing a play on words using definitions of terms to bolster my position. Neither one is occurring I assure you all. What  I’m doing is applying what I know of the old testament to the new.

In the Old testament, When the prophets laid hands on something it was upon the sacrifice, or upon that thing which was to be executed upon by the law, whether it be a bull, goat or man who sinned.

 

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In all these references we see that the priesthood would lay their hands upon one that was to be sacrificed as a sin offering before the lord. Now of course a man who sinned is not an acceptable sacrifice but the example is just to show that the reference of laying on of hands was used to grasp something for the purpose of exacting the law of God upon. So let’s apply this practice to the Gospel.

They shall lay their hands upon the sick…..They shall present the man who is sick as a sacrifice to the lord……they shall bring the sinner before god…..they shall bring the representative for Christ before God

And he shall be restored?

The Old Testament uses the term “restore” to mean “give back or gave back that which was removed”

He shall be brought back unto his place of origin. If our place of origin is in the kingdom, or the garden, then our state of existence is to be “Redeemed” is it not.

I don’t think people actually even looked at the scriptures before they used them to justify holy healings and such.

Believers are given the power and authority to present unbelievers to God for restoration. This is performed through witnessing, and prayer and presentation or in other words they can “baptize”. Does this then mean that “every” person a saint brings before God will be restored? Yes' because they are presenting the sacrifice to God for acceptance. "If that sacrifice is acceptable", in other words it has obeyed the lord and is acceptable to Christ, then the lord shall accept it and that sacrifice shall be taken, accepted and redeemed or restored. Just because people want others to be acceptable does not mean that God is bound to accept it.

The sacrifice is sold out, it’s understanding and control over it’s destiny is relinquished. It has said in itself, I know my soul resides in the belief with the ones performing the sacrifice, and thus I submit.

The only sacrifice unacceptable is a sacrifice that God does not wish to be performed.

 I wrote a paper a while ago outlining the process of redemption, and in it I stated that Baptism was synonymous with “presenting” the sacrifice before God.  All of the things in Mark is equal to the things written in Matthew and Luke and John concerning our lord Jesus.

 

Son of God

What is a “Son of God” and who are they?

This is a question that some have found closure to but for others it brings up a challenge to the very core of Christianity. If Jesus was the Son of God, then was he the “offspring” of a God-human relationship? Or was he adopted by god as his son based upon his miraculous birth?

Some state that God was Jesus in the flesh, others state that Jesus was the firstborn, first created entity of god and still others that sons of god are angels. How are these points proven in scripture? Each one has theyre thought of origin in biblical references in regards to what Jesus stated who he was.

 

Trinitarian of both Ontological and Economic classifications defend the belief that a son of god is a separate entity, either resolved to the father or separate from the father, it is a separate manifestation all together in either thought.

Jehovah’s wtiness, LDS(latter-day saints),  mormons  believe that Jesus was an entity created sometime in the beginning by god for gods purpose of assisting mankind in it’s development before the foundations of the world even.

The Pentecostal belief of sabellianism is that God was Jesus, and so a son of god is the created flesh of jesus Christ by god.

 

The position I’vetaken on this mystery as part of my journey is that a “son of god” is a title just as a “son of man” is a title given to a man. I will try to explain. First lets look at the reference of son of man.

Through out the bible the term “son of man” is consistently used to define a prophet. He is someone God selects to speak to his people about a particular event. As he obeys, he obeys and God recognizes him as a mouthpiece to his people. This person is a son of man. In Ezekiel, God references the son of man when refering in his directions to him and in Daniel we see in his vision that the “son of man” receives power and the inheritance of god’s power and kingdom. This means that a person God was to establish on earth as the receiver of his power will be the one designated to speak on his behalf to the entire world. Thus Jesus is the “son of man” unto the world.

 

inject the mannerism of his birth, since it was miraculous in its fruition, to Jesus meaning that he was born of flesh. This is not the case, he was MAN in his birth, he was “son of man” in his birth and calling”, so he was "son of god" when?

A son of god is what?

Please look at the first reference the bible has regarding a son of god….

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Now throughout my early childhood, I was taught to think of these “sons of god” to be angelic beings. It was my sister that clarified the point to me, that these were not giant men nor angelic creatures but they were actual men, established to do gods work, and they took wives of men that did not believe as they did. So the writing is that the Sons of god took of the daughters of men for wives.

In gods perspective, man and “son of man” are separate titles. Man is less than a "son of man" because he is not selected by god for his purpose. A “son of God” is a little bit greater thing than a “son of man” why? Because a “son of god” does not just speak the words of god he is obligated to perform them himself a son of god is given power to carry out god’s word and desires based upon his own desire to please God. You see a "son of man" does need to agree with what he is proposing to the people. (I.E Jonah) but a son of God does, yet a son of God can repent of performing the will and maintain connectivity to god, while a son of man cannot disobey and remain in continuity to his leader.

So in the passages of Genesis 6:1-6

Genesis

As we see, God has a difference between regular men and chosen men. Angeles cannot mate with mankind. God never gave that ability amongst the two, in the garden the women of man were the helpmates of adam, out of adam or “wo-man” thus angels cannot impregnate that which law for procreation was not given. So this means then that the “sons of god, had to be regular men. But what kind of men were they? They were simply the ones that put into effect, as god gave them the power to do so, executed the desire and work god gave them. He told them to procreate, they did this, thus God considered them the “sons of god”. Remember what Jesus said in john 10:30

 

John

 

Jesus told the Pharisees that the one that has been given the power and authority to do the works of god is called the “son of god” but the one that does the work and is given the power to do evil is the son of perdition “so to speak”. So based also upon the scripture above, is jesus saying that only because God gave him the authority and the power to do the work of God is he the son of god? This could play into the belief that jesus was born a simple man, became the spokesman to man as being given the title “ son of man” then given power in his baptism and promoted to “son of god”.

Traditionally in the work of god, the “son of god” does not perform the work of the “son of man” there is  no place in the bible’s old testament that it is noted of a Son of man that was given the power to be a “son of god”. There are visions of the son of man doing so, but not actual applications of such work being done. There were no christs in the old testament, Moses was a Son of man unto the people of Israel, he was not a son of god, because all his power came upon appeals to god. God did the work himself.  All the prophets spoke unto god to do the work. Jesus did the work without requesting god to do the work. He was not a just a son of man, but he was given to authority to do the work himself.

Remember I said that a Son of god is given the power to do the work of god unto his desire or plan. Thus as noted once again in the times before Noah, in the passages that the sons of god came unto the daughters of man…. The only law given to man at the time was that they “multiply and they don’t eat of the tree of good and evil.

Another example of the sons of god that defines how God see them is in Job, lets look.

Job

We need to look at this verse in the correct light… The distinction is the same as the one for what god considers a Son of man, let me show this as well.

Jeremiah

49:18 As in the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour [cities] thereof, saith the LORD, no man shall abide there, neither shall a son of man dwell in it.

God makes a distinction always between man and a Son of xxxx, so in Job there is a distinction between a “Son of god” and Satan. Why were they brought before god? To give a report, present theyre work, themselves, theyre law, their following of the laws they were given to god himself.

The apostles were also given the power to call upon Jesus to do work, thus they are not the Christ. The Anti-Christ is one that denies the Christ, but how? Does he say that Christ was not? NO, he says that the power in Christ is in himself, thus denying Christ.  We are cautioned in saying the power of Christ is in us, because it is only if you have the holy ghost, because the power of god that is in Jesus that  we are obliged to expel is given to us in the name of Jesus and it is within us as we are “sons of god”. 

 This is why we baptize in the name of Jesus, as the baptism in the name of the father, son and holy-ghost, we confuse and mute the power. Even if the belief is that the father holds the power the son makes the power available and the spirit brings the power to us, this is all wrapped into the power of the “son of god” who was Jesus.  So by resolving the understanding in yourself is not the same as simply pronouncing the name in the process.

Again back to the study.

Those of us who are indwelled with the holy ghost are the “sons of god” why?

Sons of god display the power of god of our own volition. We are not directed to do anything of our own accord on the matters at hand. We simply walk in the power given us by the Holy ghost. The reality factor is that we are powerful because he is powerful, and we are sinless because the power he gave us is sinless, we are in the kingdom because the power he was given was the kingdom.  Now all this sounds good, and like normal holy banter, but there is an unmistakable truth.

Jesus Christ or for another way of putting it, Jesus the son of god, performed the work of god independently of gods influence in his operation, he did not have to receive counsel from god in-order to heal someone, nor ask permission in any name in order to pull the dead from it’s station. He simply commanded it to be so and it was.

Mark

  

Jesus here is letting them know distinctly that the “one sent from god” (son of man) has also the power of god as “son of god” or one given power to do the will of god.

At no span in time did the apostles perform a miracle and not state that it was the power of that performed the work. Jesus did not state that GOD is the one that healed, he just simply did it.

 

Clarifying our position as “sons of god”

Let’s look at where we are, A son of god is simply a being that is given the power to perform the will and desire of God. We are asked to believe in the “son of God”, what does that mean? Do we believe that Jesus Christ lived? ….ok does that make one saved? In some churches it does, but that’s not what the statement is saying, you see if you believe that the son of god existed, that’s a matter of fact, not faith.

Do we believe that Jesus Christ was God? …Ok so then we say that Jesus Christ was the flesh god gave power to in order to carry out his perfect plan. Does this make us saved? …No for if you simply believe that Jesus is the son of god, and that he had power, what power is there for you?

Do we then say the power in Jesus, that he possessed, is the power of God, and that power is given unto mankind, the question then becomes “HOW is it given to man”? The answer:

Mark 16:15-19 is a consistant mannerism of what a beleiver will be, this was not just for the moment in time, bt it reverberated throughout the ages.

16:15	And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16:16	He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
16:17	And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
16:18	They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
16:19	So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Now look 16:16 starts off by telling us clearly that anyone that beleives or is called a beleiver will do the following.....baptism shall lead you to salvation, NOT baptism is salvation, he said "Shall be" not "IS".

and the signs to look for in beleivers are such, They shall cast out devils.....are they to be excorcists? NO, they can repent of thier former devils and remove them from thier lives, They can remove the influence upon others while in the beleivers presence.  

THEY SHALL SPEAK WITH NEW TONGUES. now the crux. must we speak in tongues to be a beleiver? I'm not even going to try and prove this point...It must be done inorder to be within the criteria mentioned in the gospels. Listen any church that says you dont need to do a particular portion of that churches beleif is a false church of that particular beleif. In islam you cant tell people they dont need to face mecca and pray. You must. In christianity you must in order to be considered a beleiver yield unto the spirit to recieve the spirit. This means you must speak with new tongues.  The actual writing is utterences, makes it a little more realistic versus people thinking that i'm talking about going out to learn a second language or talking of things that are "inspirational". You won't beleive how many people think that is speaking in tongues.

1. Through belief that Jesus was and presents the power to us. This is the first step in accepting the holy-ghost, believing that Jesus brought it to you.

2. Baptism…was the baptism of John of man or of God?  The Pharisees were afraid to answer this, but I am no Pharisee, it was acceptable of God because god accepted the heart that participated in it. It was not sufficient because it was not complete.

3. Receiving the holy-ghost, There is only one mannerism amongst mankind that was ever shown to be the confirmation of the reception of the holy-ghost. Not in works or deed but in Shekinah. That was it. It is God’s presence in mankind. This is the acceptance of one’s heart for all time, not just for a season, but from point A to point Z, beginning to end. He does not leave you after this. The power that God gives comes upon us only after we receive the holy-ghost.  I am not saying that you cannot walk away from the gift given. Sure you can, but wherever you go, you will be taking God withyou, becuase he said so.  I am not a proponent of the once saved always saved crowd, but I am not of the persepective that "you" have the power to throw away the holy ghost.  You can walk away from it , and thus the saying become relevant in truth "as a tree falleth so shall it lie" ecclesiates 11:3 (praphrased)

You are then and only then adopted into the kingdom and are both “Son of man” because you inherit and speak the law in Shekinah, and “Son of God”, because you receive the ability to perform the will of god and the law which you spoke.

The argument,

The house of cornelius received the holy ghost before they were baptized in Jesus name as this is so, the belief that one must be baptized in Jesus name before they receive the holy-ghost does not fly well.

-          The resolution, The house of cornelius were aware of the mystery religions. the commonly held beleif was that they were devout worshipers of god even though they had not been presented with the message of the apostles. How can I stand on this? Look at the scriptures.

The italian band mentioned in acts 10:1 were a group of soldiers that originated from italy. Each member of the italian band would have been very aware of the mortality of theyre situation in the roman army, that death was around the corner in each upcoming battle, and thus the adherence to any such beleif that offered life after death would be acceptable, and reverence in that soldiers houshold. Cornelius selected the worship of the mandean, since that was one which was the most prevelant in the area of which the italian troops originated. Many members of the early church came out of dionysis into christianity because of the familiarity between the two and the power witnessed by the followers of the apostles and the apostles themselves. these cults also had a familiarity with the new testament practice of speaking in tongues or in utterances. in the following:

Acts

Why did he fall down to worship peter? He believed that peter was an agent an elevated being worthy of veneration. It was peter who straightened that out. Remember I said they were aware of the mystery religions. In the mystery religions speaking in tongues was common place as well as baptisms and the Mandean mannerism of baptism existed in caesarian religious culture.

Cornelius however must not have been aware of what he was asking for yet made repentance in his prayer, and God according to the rendering saw that his repentance was acceptable.These things are what God defines as acceptable and righteous. whatever cornelius beleived in leading up to this point was irrelevant why? because in ignorance there is wisdom, if vanity lies foolishness.

Cornelius presented a contrite heart and a heart with concern of mankind. not just his acceptable mankind, but all mankind. noted in the giving of alms and prayings. We pray as a manner of offering repentance.  

  The apostles taught that without faith it is impossible to please god, But faith in who, God or Jesus? Which facet of faith must I exhibit, Faith in the son of god or faith in God himself?

This position caused a big division, for some followed after God while others after the man of God Jesus.

The "Son of God" is a title that denotes one given power to do the will of god. Jesus was given power from his birth to do the will of God. This is not a predestinated choice however.  He chose to follow the ordained purpose of God as God. God was given the ability to forsake his own law. That’s called repenting of his initial intention.

some will state that what I present isn’t biblical to a point or that I got off base, but if you actually look at my position it Is solid. Jesus had the ability to repent of the course of actions did he not?

Remember the garden of Gethsemane?

Matthew 26:38-42

Mark 14:34-38

Luke 22:42-45

John chapter 17

In these verses, Jesus begins by asking to repent of the work he was to perform by saying, let this cup pass before me, he states. In other words in my view he knew this was going to occur, in mark he says “the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

Christ means what?

I have written that the son of god reference is a title, but Jesus had the title given to him by the apostles as Christ, which means the anointed, an anointed person is one called out to perform an action specific to duty of the lord or leader.  If Jesus was anointed, could this also mean that he was selected out of the field of something? We must be careful not to contradict. An anointed person in Gods eyes is a king of the people of god’s selection. Each king of Israel was anointed by the high priest. Jesus was not anointed by a high priest, he was a selected lamb. He represented the king of Israel bringing to a close gods provision to Israel of providing her a king to follow. 

Christ means anointed, not “son of god”, that is a separate title and a separate work that Jesus fulfilled.

The problem, Peter stated this

Acts

People assumed that Jesus was selected after his baptism of john, when it was stated that the holy ghost fell upon him like a dove or cloud. The cloud was the reference God used for the Jews that told them to follow gods direction. So if it was a cloud the Jews were to listen and obey Jesus. But if it was a dove, it was some other thing. The jews didn’t follow a dove, they followed the cloud. It goes on further to state that peter believes that Jesus was “called out” selected, but he is not saying that he was selected after the baptism, he could be meaning that Jesus was selected before the baptism, but it doesn’t say this. So people assume,“I did for a time also”, believe that Jesus was called out after his baptism. He may have been born to do something, but he didn’t get his “commission” to so it until after the baptism.

WRONG!!!!

Peter is not stating here that Jesus was called out after his baptism, What he’s saying is that it was Johns preparation that lead the way for Jesus and the validation of this is in the works jesus performed. Some like to say that Faith in jesus not works are required for salvation, But I say faith without works is dead. Thus, believing that god will save you without obeying the will of god will not save anyone. You must do something to show you have faith in it. If you sit in a four legged chair, how much faith do you have that it will hold you? You don’t need much based upon learned logic, But you need a little more faith to sit in a three legged chair, and even more in a two legged chair. Looking at the chair won’t prove that you have faith that the chair will hold you, you must sit in it.

The son of God, is given power to hold you up in a 2 legged chair, until the church has that much faith, it will always be in peril.

Son of Man

What is a Son of man, my initial response was that he is flesh, indwelled with the fleshly limitations.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

-this statement is being said in the context of “comparing” gods intentions to mans intentions. It could be noted that the prophet is speaking on an attribute of god. That God being unlike mankind, does not lie, nor does he break his law in such that he needs to repent of it.

The Son of man does however lie and break the law. So if jesus was “Son of Man” then at some point in his life did he lie or break the law?

To god the son of man

The son of man to god is the anointed presenter of the word “law” intention of god. Each of the prophets were the “son of man” for that day. It is a title.

Job said of himself

Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?

Psalms states thus

Psalm

?? neither shall “a” son of man dwell in Sodom and Gomorrah? So a son of man is something specific and set aside from any other man?

Jerimiah 49:33 And Hazor shall be a dwelling for dragons, [and] a desolation for ever: there shall no man abide there, nor [any] son of man dwell in it. Another reference to a son of man being something specific from any other man is shown in Ezekiel as he states plainly what he considers a son of man to be a prophet.

Ezekiel 2:1And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.

Ezekiel 2:1 And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, [even] unto this very day.

Ezekiel 2:6 And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns [be] with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they [be] a rebellious house.

Ezekiel 2:8 But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.

All throughout Ezekiel God places the prophet in different situations giving him different instructions and telling him where to go, what to do and what to expect and how to react, our God is an awesome and gentle god and in his righteousness provides a scapegoat to our transgressions and a complete understanding into how he views our activities.

In Daniel the normal thought was that the “son of Man” was jesus, but lets look at it.

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Daniel 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end [shall be] the vision.

Now look, Daniel says that he saw someone that looked like “the son of man” this more than likely means that he saw someone that looked human amongst those of angels. Not necessarily Jesus, but it could be. Especially given that in hindsight the power was given to him. My take on it is that this is jesus Christ, but not that he is a separate entity of God but rather that he was the messenger, envoy the flesh dedicated and created for the expressed purpose of creating saints and that all the power of God was placed in him as it is placed in the kingdom of those that believe in him. Since the interpretation of this vision was given to Daniel as such. 

Matthew 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matthew 12 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

Throughout the 4 gospels of matthew mark luke and john, Jesus refers to himself as the “son of man” now here is a clue to who jesus was, throughout Ezekiel God referred to Ezekiel as “son of man”  jesus had the power and “authority” to proclaim himself as the “son of man” or the presenter of God’s commands to men and just as Ezekiel was, the bearer of mans trangressions. Only god has the right to call someone a son of man because only god defines the authority he’s given to a man of flesh who is to bear the trangressions of peoples transgressions. Thus Jesus was God called out of his own mouth, That may have been hard to catch. Jesus Equated himself to the vision in Daniel 7 as the “son of man” that received glory and a kingdom for ever.

The beast that explained it to Daniel stated that the saints of this man shall inherit the kingdom of god. This disturbed Daniel a lot because everything he had known of god was that the seed of Abraham were to inherit the kingdom, now god seemed to have be giving it to another, and if this “son of man” was inheriting the kingdom of god, then where is YHWY? Where is god? He kept it to himself.

 

Moloch (Molech) - The Mothers (churches) sorrow

 

The Septuagint pronounces him as Moloch, both ar mentioned in the bible Moloch in Amos and Molech in many other references the book of Leviticus, 1^st and 2^nd kings and Jeremiah

1^st reference

Leviticus 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through [the fire] to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I [am] the LORD.Leviticus 20:2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever [he be] of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that gives [any] of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.Lev 20:3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.Lev 20:4 And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:Lev 20:5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.There are many different things racing through my head right now in this subject, It is a grievous tone, one that I initially did not want to cover, but a voice beckons me on. There has been much anger kindled in the heart of the lord towards a growing trend. The “Sorrower” is moving again. He has taken advantage of the lack of teaching sound doctrine and the arrogance of martyrdom practices and made them into this belief that sacrificing children, killing children is a respectable way to expel ones grief. In grief, these men destroy their children, causing the mother to share in such grief that it becomes irreversible. What mother overcomes the destruction of her seed?It is a Sin, a most grievous sin to sacrifice ones children unto grief and fear. In anger it is murder in fear it is manslaughter in grief it is sacrifice, of these things god hates. Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which [are] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through [the fire] unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.Moloch or rather the worship of Molech is an ancient belief, one with ties to ammonite pantheons. The Israelites were forbidden to practice this worship and that as you can see from previous passages that two judgments were laid out. Those who took part in the worship were to be “put to death” and those who stood by and witnessed the practice were to be “kicked out” of from amongst the people. Where did they practice this, in the valley of Topheth “in the valley of Hinnom” and more that likely was introduced during the reign of Manasseh. He was the one whom God told Israel “Jacob” to give the blessing of succession to Ephraim even though Manasseh was firstborn. The actual spelling of Molech is MELEK, and the ritual attributed to worship of him was having children “pass through the fire to Molech”. The action was to have two lines of fire with a narrow pathway in their “consecration” ceremony. Many children died and as they were screaming “loud noise would be played banging of drums and such, blowing of horns, drinking and other things in order to drown out the childrens screams as they died. They were considered to be “extraordinary” sacrifices to YWHY (Yahweh=God) thus permitted/promoted amongst the children of Israel. Ezekiel stated that God polluted the children of Israel for “allowing” the people to perform the sacrifices and Ezekiel 20:25-26 If you remember in Genesis Abraham was commanded of god to give Issac his son, whom he had already given the blessing to earlier as a human sacrifice. It is along these lines that the church finds some measure of validity of a sort to the sacrifice of ones heart ones soul and ones mind to god as a “living” sacrifice. It is an extraordinary sacrifice. It was rejected by the prophets of old as a practice of proving fealty to God.Motive behind selfless sacrificeMicah 6:1-8 Here is the cry of the lord against the practice of unrighteousness, He asks the people, to tell him where the lord has unjustly lead them and asks them what they believe they can do to resolve themselves to his mercy. It is an excellent passage because it seems that God himself is establishing the judging of those practices as being “insufficient” and unacceptable in resolving the hearts of man.Moloch went by many names, Ba’al, Apis-Bull. Golden Calf, Milcom, Chemosh and was widely worshipped in the middle east. He is depicted as a Bull with the body of a man in most instances and is considered in the greek as the minotaur. The pheonicians of carthage had a similar relationship to the practice of worhip to Molech in that the sacrifice was to the God “Saturn or Chronus” in which children were slain, this god was also called Baal Hammon. Plato’s account of the practice at carthage was such:There stands in their midst a bronze statue of Kronos, its hands extended over a bronze brazier, the flames of which engulf the child. When the flames fall upon the body, the limbs contract and the open mouth seems almost to be laughing until the contracted body slips quietly into the brazier. Thus it is that the 'grin' is known as 'sardonic laughter,' since they die laughing. *point of contention – at no point in the establishment of the holy-ghost has there been an experience of “Holy Laughter” that was expressed in the ecstatic praying or worshipin the manner of shekinah. Yet prominent ministers such as Oral Roberts, Benny Hinn, Larry Tomszak, Karl Strader and Marilyn Hickey as well as others that endorse or even promote these things. Uncontrollable weeping, barking like dogs, trances, roaring like lions, and laughter in these manners are well documented amongst the “mystery religions” but not within the churches established by the apostles nor those corrected by paul._Shekinah -  indication of the manifestation of God dwelling amongst people, the visible manifestation of Gods presence.I’m not saying that certain unexpected activities don’t occur in the reception or manifestation of the holy ghost, but The “Shekinah” is an old understandable expectation attributed to the High priest messianic Judaism, and they don’t record anyone acting in such manner in the presence of God at anytime in any book or letter or writing.**  Diodorus Siclulus account:There was in their city a bronze image of Cronus extending its hands, palms up and sloping toward the ground, so that each of the children when placed thereon rolled down and fell into a sort of gaping pit filled with fire.Relatives were forbidden to weepPlutarchThe whole area before the statue was filled with a loud noise of flutes and drums so that the cries of wailing should not reach the ears of the people.In Medieval texts it is this moloch who is considered as a prince of Hell, Which finds particular pleasure in making mothers weep specializing in stealing and slaying children. In the fallen he is considered as one of Hells greatest warriors of the rebellious angels. He is listed as one of Satan’s   As you can remember Baal was the god that the children of Israel dealt with in the camp below Mount Sinai. God through Moses opened the ground and destroyed 1/3 or them in that day. Exodus 32:1-33

This is the thing God hates, Sacrifices done before the lord uncalled for in his word. For these things bring us nothing but the rebuff of the word. Do not give up hope on those whom god placed in his kingdom for if God hated the sacrifice to Molech he surely will not commit a sacrifice unto Molech of his children. If God gives a person life through his spirit he will not remove his spirit from amongst them unless they give him no other option.

Extraordinary sacrifices are "NOT" on gods agenda. Give God what he asks, No less no more, Obey his word in completion and we as the church will be better off for it.

Why pray for things God has no intention of repenting upon? beleive that you can change the mind of God? Why ask for a blessing and you have not done the first works. Do you think God will throw pearls to swine?

Interesting is it not? and churches encourage people to do this all the time...remember the next time someone tells you to put yourhand to the TV screen and send them in a few bucks as seed money for your blessing...You dont need to beg god for anything if you have the holy ghost...first seek ye the kingdom of god and all things will be added unto you as according to your faith in christ.

That means something people.

Trinity Argument

Trinity Explained
The word 'trinity" is not found in the Bible. Nevertheless, it is a word used to describe one fact the Bible teaches about God: Our God is a Trinity. This means there are three persons in one God, not three Gods. The persons are known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and they have all always existed as three separate persons. The person of the Father is not the same person as the Son. The person of the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit. The person of the Holy Spirit is not the same person as the Father. If you take away any one, there is no God. God has always been a trinity from all eternity: 'From everlasting to everlasting, Thou art God" (Ps. 90:2).

God is not one person who took three forms, i.e., the Father who became the Son, who then became the Holy Spirit. This belief is known today as the 'Jesus Only Movement." It is taught by the United Apostolic and United Pentecostal churches, and is an incorrect teaching. Nor is God only one person as the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Way International, and the Christadelphians teach (These groups are classified as non-Christian cults). For proof that there is more than one person in the Godhead, see the Plurality Study. The Bible says there is only one God. Yet, it says Jesus is God (John 1:1, 14); it says the Father is God (Phil. 1:2); and it says the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4). Since the Son speaks to the Father, they are separate persons. Since the Holy Spirit speaks also (Acts 13:2), He is a separate person. There is one God who exists in three (a separate person) persons.  -  Now to me that is saying that there are three separate people that make up the ONE single GOD.

CoEternal
Within his own mysterious being God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The designations are just ways in which God is God. Within the Godhead there are three 'persons" who are neither three Gods nor three parts of God, but coequally and coeternally God.

 - 1+1+1=1x1x1 ??? thus the mystery

The following chart should help you understand how the Trinity doctrine is derived. Father, Son, Holy Spirit Called God

Phil. 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.(presumably in the Trinitarian doctrinal development, this portion of the passage was either ignored or interpreted to relate to the prior in such a manner as to give credence to the word being separate from it’s created person yet being equal to it simultaneously)

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (most everything added in the biblical texts are shown in parenthesis)

Col. 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Acts 5: 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Acts 5: 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

 Creator

Is. 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Is. 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col. 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Col. 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col. 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Job 33:4 The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Resurrects

1 Thess. 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Rom. 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 Indwells

2 Cor. 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Col. 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Modalist Argument

 

The Oneness of the Godhead is the basic fundamental doctrine of the Bible. We hope you will understand there is but One God. Let us start with a few Scriptures.

Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is One Lord (Deuteronomy 6:4).

Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? Ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? Yea, there is no God: I know not any..

Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from thy womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things, that stretch forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself (Isaiah 44:8 & 24)

I am the Lord and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me.

That they may know from the rising of the sun, and the west that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else...(Isaiah 45:5-6)

Ye are my witnesses saith the Lord, and my servant whom i have chosen, that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he, before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

I, even I am the Lord, and beside me there is no savior. (Isaiah 43:10-11)

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called wonderful, counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting father, the Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is God with us.
(Matthew 1:23)

In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth.
(John !:1 & 14)

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God.
(John 17:3)

And Thomas answered and said unto him, "My Lord and my God."
(John 20:28)

For there is one God, and mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. (1st Timothy 2:5)

I and my father are one. (John 10:30)

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

They understood not that he spake to them of the father. (John 8:24 & 27)

For there are three that bare record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. (John 5:7) 

It is not just a couple of verses that declare the Oneness of the Godhead, but the whole Bible. There is but one God, not two, not three, not four, but one God and his name is Jesus.

For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. (Colossians 2:9) 

This states the fullness of the Godhead bodily is in Jesus, not that Jesus is “in” (as included) the fullness of the Godhead bodily. There is a no comparison between being in something, and having something in you. The fullness of the Godhead bodily is in Jesus.
I know there are some that will say that the God of the Old Testament was Jehovah, and you are absolutely correct in saying so. But don't forget the Bible teaches the Oneness of God.
Now lets look at what Jehovah means.
Jehovah means Lord, and when the Old Testament used the title Jehovah they usually added an attribute of God. Such as Jehovah-jireh, which means the Lord will provide, and is found in Genesis 22:14.

 

Theophany

Greek: An appearance of a god to a human; a divine manifestation.

 

Shekinah

Judaism:  A visible manifestation of the divine presence as described in Jewish theology.

 

Reasonings